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Milinda Posted - 02/09/2011 : 7:35:53 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41498568/ns/politics-capitol_hill/?GT1=43001

Why do these guys think things of this nature will never get out and ruin their marriages and careers?

M L
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Janadanu Posted - 03/05/2011 : 10:08:38 AM
No they never learn. Mainly because they think they're "entitled" to it in the first place, and many of them view women as commodities instead of equal human beings. Politicians or gardeners, it's the same flawed mindset.
mouse Posted - 02/25/2011 : 6:28:42 PM
A possible explanation as to why Lee resigned so quickly: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/25/chris-lee-transgender-women-craigslist_n_828476.html

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You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed. Antoine de Saint Exupery
Milinda Posted - 02/12/2011 : 3:45:03 PM
I have much more sympathy for Sanford than I have for the rest of these guys, despite the fact that he's one of these family values guys. I think he sincerely fell in love. He handled it badly, but at least it was something important to him, not a mere passing amusement/ego enhancer that caused him to do the damage he did to his family.

::I will agree with you on this, Mouse. I do believe he fell in love/became obsessed and oh, yes, indeedy did he ever handle it badly. But HOW he handled it is EXACTLY WHY he does not have the integrity to be in public office. To have put his own feelings in front of his obligations and to disrespect his family, his staff and the people he governed in such a way is not competent. Those are not the actions of a responsible leader; not the behavior of a secure, mentally stable adult.

Spitzer, Clinton and our "favroite," John Edwards, and all the others, they display an immature self-centeredness which makes me suspect their ability to do their jobs well. There is no privacy once you become public domain. Everything that goes out on the internet is public domain. To be so foolish as to think one could conduct oneself as one pleases without consequence is not reasonable, intelligent or valid and certainly lacks common sense.





M L
mouse Posted - 02/12/2011 : 3:22:28 PM
I have much more sympathy for Sanford than I have for the rest of these guys, despite the fact that he's one of these family values guys. I think he sincerely fell in love. He handled it badly, but at least it was something important to him, not a mere passing amusement/ego enhancer that caused him to do the damage he did to his family.



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Milinda Posted - 02/12/2011 : 1:48:56 PM
The title of the thread is "They Never Learn" and became more general, so I kept it that way. Milinda brought up the hypocrisy issue and brought up some quaint notion of Canadian perfection. People all over have affairs, and that doesn't automatically make someone a louse. I hazard an educated guess a few KR posters have had one, going by stats.

:: Mokey! You are notorious for making posts regarding how much better Canada does things in comparison to the United States, be it medical care, politics, you name it, you have pointed it out to us on numerous occasions and been called on it. By mentioning your penchant for doing such, well, that was me being tongue in cheek.


These tempests in teapots amuse me because they tend to elicit holier-than-thou demands.

:: We'll have to agree to disagree, Mokey. I stand by my distrust of someone who could be so thoughtless to a spouse and or children. I feel it says a great deal about character and integrity. It isn't that I care who they sleep with, but I do care about commitment and integrity and if said person cannot be trusted to be decent to his/her family, I have no illusions he/she will treat me any better. I do not think it is being "holier-than-thou," it's based on my experience with people.



M L
mouse Posted - 02/12/2011 : 12:31:00 PM
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Originally posted by CatherineM

but honestly, he appears to be too stupid to hold a responsible public office! I mean, putting photos of himself on Craigslist, lying about his age, job and marital status? That's beyond picking up some girl in a bar, or a fling with a staffer or lobbyist - it's almost comically incompetent and juvenile.



And this.

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mouse Posted - 02/12/2011 : 12:29:41 PM
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Originally posted by kkknitter

And it does say loads about their character. John Edwards is a sterling example.



This.

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flicka Posted - 02/12/2011 : 08:14:14 AM
quote:
originally published by mokey

I focus on what they do in pubic, not who they snog in private.


Oops, Mokey, spellcheck doesn't catch everything!

Thanks for setting my mind at ease about Belinda Stronach. It is good to know that just like everywhere else, millionaires who inherit their wealth land on their feet, no matter who is ground under their wheels.

flicka

CatherineM Posted - 02/12/2011 : 07:20:04 AM
As far as I am concerned, his infidelity is largely a personal issue between him and his wife - but honestly, he appears to be too stupid to hold a responsible public office! I mean, putting photos of himself on Craigslist, lying about his age, job and marital status? That's beyond picking up some girl in a bar, or a fling with a staffer or lobbyist - it's almost comically incompetent and juvenile.

This is right up there with Brett Farve texting some girl a picture of his junk - well gosh, what could go wrong?

Catherine
http://yorkiedog.blogspot.com
hillstreetmama Posted - 02/12/2011 : 06:41:30 AM
I just do not understand how anyone could think they can send pictures on the internet and believe they will remain private. Surely, he must have known there was a risk. My heart goes out to his poor family.

I would NEVER want to be in politics for the very reason that every action can be photographed, televised, debated, and judged. His career will forever be tainted by this, if he has one left. I would think it would be hard for his wife to ever trust him again. And the kids at school will taunt his son with the words of their parents.

This should be a cautionary tale for anyone thinking of doing similar stupid things.

Jan
shaggy Posted - 02/12/2011 : 06:10:15 AM
quote:
Originally posted by kkknitter

Running for public office is voluntary and if you do you should take into account that every aspect of you life is going to be looked into. It might be too much to ask of your representatives to be perfect, but then they should not be so hypocritical. And it does say loads about their character. John Edwards is a sterling example.

Kristina



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I don't care who they dinky D*ck.

shaggy

every dollar makes Betty smile





kkknitter Posted - 02/12/2011 : 05:23:11 AM
Running for public office is voluntary and if you do you should take into account that every aspect of you life is going to be looked into. It might be too much to ask of your representatives to be perfect, but then they should not be so hypocritical. And it does say loads about their character. John Edwards is a sterling example.

Kristina
mokey Posted - 02/11/2011 : 11:57:56 PM
The title of the thread is "They Never Learn" and became more general, so I kept it that way. Milinda brought up the hypocrisy issue and brought up some quaint notion of Canadian perfection. People all over have affairs, and that doesn't automatically make someone a louse. I hazard an educated guess a few KR posters have had one, going by stats.

Tie Domi having an affair was no surprise, and any fuss quickly died down. The politician in question stuck to her work and did a good job, deciding not to seek another term in office due to a cancer diagnosis. She has kept the successful business inherited from her father just that, a successful business and is a sought after speaker.

It makes no difference where politicians do their jobs, so long as they do them well. I focus on what they do in pubic, not who they snog in private.

These tempests in teapots amuse me because they tend to elicit holier-than-thou demands.

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Atavistic Posted - 02/11/2011 : 11:15:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by mokey

I know nohing about the politician in question, but if he rants on about family values,sanctity of marriage and then doesn't practice what he preaches, that's different and I would be cheesed off.



Perhaps you should educate yourself before you go spouting off uneducated opinions and telling people how they should feel about their own country's political leaders--a race you have no horse in, by the way.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Republican+Christopher+Lee

"I'm telling you, we're in a M. Night Shyamalan flick."
flicka Posted - 02/11/2011 : 11:02:13 PM
Well, Mokey, I didn't care too much, either, when a conservative Canadian MP famously dated a Leaves hockey player, who happened to be married. Did you? I didn't even care when she told the press "Let's face it, I don't stay at home on Friday nights and knit". Did you? Oh, probably not. It's their business, after all.

If we care about our elected officials' behaviour, why don't you just let us care? I can't see that it hurts you, or Canada, if we do.

flicka
Milinda Posted - 02/11/2011 : 10:59:00 PM
[quote]Originally posted by mokey

I care about honesty and intelligence as they relate to the work place, not someone's sex life. Smart people have affairs and run successful businesses; intellectual capaciy has nothing to do with prtners outside of marriage.

:: But integrity does. If a person cannot be honest within his/her private life and within a mariage, then I have no reason to believe he/she will treat me with any integrity. To me, life is not that easily compartmentalized, Mokey. If someone is a louse in private, chances are it will carry over into other areas of life and I do not find that dripping with confidence-inspiring integrity.

M L
mokey Posted - 02/11/2011 : 10:43:07 PM
I know nohing about the politician in question, but if he rants on about family values,sanctity of marriage and then doesn't practice what he preaches, that's different and I would be cheesed off.

I care about honesty and intelligence as they relate to the work place, not someone's sex life. Smart people have affairs and run successful businesses; intellectual capaciy has nothing to do with prtners outside of marriage.

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Milinda Posted - 02/11/2011 : 10:04:19 PM
Mokey, I was about to say the same thing Mouse said. I will add a few things. I care because so many of them are bathed in the light of Family Values Rhetoric Hypocrisy and vote on issues as if they walk on water. So, yes, to some of us, here in this country, it matters. I feel if one cannot be decent enough to be faithful and honest to one's spouse, how can I expect one to tell the truth on anything else?

I do know we don't do things as perfectly as you do in Canada. You'll just have to humour us, won't you? Some of us find it lacking in integrity for a married person to advertise on a dating site with his shirt off when he is a representative of the people. Silly me for caring about honesty, faithfulness and intelligence, but I like to know the people who are representing me in the government have as much integrity and smarts going for them as I do.

M L
mouse Posted - 02/11/2011 : 9:40:40 PM
I care if they are also going on about the *sanctity of marriage* and voting on sexual matters on the basis of considering the conduct immoral. IOW, if you're going on about *family values*, thundering against same sex marriage or the repeal of DADT, while at the same time playing around, you deserve to be outed and ridiculed as a hypocrite.

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mokey Posted - 02/11/2011 : 9:34:56 PM
I don't care if politicians or colleagues have affairs. As long as they do their jobs, their sexual escapades (with consenting adults) don't make a whiff of difference to me.

If this guy's wife is upset or wants a divorce, go for it, but if the guy does a decent job at work and it doesn't affect that, meh.

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