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Grand-moogi Posted - 10/24/2012 : 08:26:49 AM
Is there a trick to knitting with DPNS so you do not end up with a ladder at the changeover?

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Ceil Posted - 10/30/2012 : 6:53:44 PM
Thankfully I found the link for the rest of you!

Scroll down a few posts until you see my name.

Knitting a smaller stitch is much easier on the hands than knitting a tighter one!

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Grand-moogi Posted - 10/30/2012 : 08:06:43 AM
Thanks Ceil. I have found that and had a good think about it. I am sorry, I should have just gone back to previous entries instead of making a new topic. I had never used the search function before but used it this time. Now that I have used it once I will no doubt use it more often.
So ta for two things.

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Ceil Posted - 10/29/2012 : 5:25:32 PM
Oh, friends, I've written at least a couple times right here at KR how to avoid ladders with dpns. I don't have time to find it now, but I bet if you do a search on ladders, you'll find it. I don't tighten the yarn at all; it hurts too much! But I do something else, and it really works. Go find that thread!

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Susan1006 Posted - 10/26/2012 : 9:06:13 PM
I yank pretty hard on the second stitch of a new needle, if it is a knit stitch. Since I am a combined knitter, my purl stitches are tight anyhow, so it isn't as much of an issue. But I try to have knit stitches at the beginning of a needle. I don't like to move my stitches around on the needles, unless I am refiguring something. I use them for position and counting.
I like DPNs for small things. I like circular needles and don't ever use straight needles any more, but not so much with magic loop. I can knit two fronts or flat sleeves at a time, on one circular needle but two round things at a time on a magic loop makes me a little crazy. A mistake requiring removing the stitches from the needles is a disaster for me. I knit two sleeves, socks, mittens,etc. on DPNs doing an inch or two on each project alternately, doing increases, or both heels or thumbs, or whatever, one after another, and finishing together. That is how I knit two things at a time.

Knit on with confidence and hope through all crises. EZ
yarnlover Posted - 10/26/2012 : 3:58:19 PM
Are they Hiya needles

The brand I have are KA and on the back of the package it says Made in Japan by Kinki Amibari Mfg. Much of the labeling is in Japanese.

The join is very smooth, and the wooden part of the needles rotates. I was told that some knitters have a problem with the circular needle getting twisted, and the rotation of the needle prevents that. I haven't ever heard of that before, but I really didn't notice the needle movement. I wasn't looking for this type of needle, but they fascinated me, and my knitting friend as well, so we both bought a few sizes to try. So far, so good.

I never did really catch on to magic loop, it just seems like too much delay to be constantly pulling the cord to adjust things, so this needle is a good alternative for me.

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robinstephanie Posted - 10/26/2012 : 08:36:05 AM
Peggity, your trick for tightening the join is intriguing. I'm starting a hat soon; I'll give it a try.

Like pbelknap, I have the opposite problem as ladders too--first stitch is sometimes almost too tight to get the needle in. But I never have ladders. I read about the trick in the KR archives, from Fran Marrs.


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azblueskies Posted - 10/26/2012 : 07:13:32 AM
Are they Hiya needles, yarnlover? I think that's what I tried out. If so, I really liked them. But now that I've finally tried Magic Loop (2 on 1) and love it, I'm back to the Addis. And have to say, I love the blue cord on the Addis.

So much to learn, so little time.
yarnlover Posted - 10/26/2012 : 06:45:46 AM
I just purchased a circular needle, size 3 with a 9" cord. The clerk at the yarn shop told me a lot of her customers are buying these for socks. The needle is bamboo, or bamboo-like, so has enough grab. The needles are pretty short, and I wasn't sure if the whole thing would just be too small for me. They looked like toy needles.

I'm almost finished with one hand-warmer, using 64 stitches, which just fit on the cord, and after struggling just a little with the first couple of rows, I've adjusted to the small needle size and I think I will like using these needles.

I also bought a size 8, which has even shorter needles, and will experiment with this needle next.

Maybe not for everyone, and I certainly had reservations, but if you see these needles in your LYS, give them a try.

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hillstreetmama Posted - 10/26/2012 : 03:55:03 AM
I'm another who tightens the SECOND stitch on the needle. That tightens up the first, too, and I don't ever have ladders.

I still have the first project I made on DPN's. It was a tube sock (I was learning from a book) and you could climb the ladders that are on that sock! No amount of washing would even out that one! I've gotten better.

purlthis Posted - 10/25/2012 : 7:31:17 PM
Magic loop is where you use a long circular, rather than double points. If you go to, I'm sure she has a video. It's much less fiddly for me. I knit really fast, and continental. All the stopping on dpn just irritates me.

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PBELKNAP Posted - 10/25/2012 : 12:42:46 PM
You all are going to think I'm nuts, but I have the OPPOSITE problem. My stitches at those points are too tight! If anything, I have to consciously not pull the first two stitches tighter...



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memoir Posted - 10/25/2012 : 11:39:16 AM
[quote]Originally posted by purlthis

I abandoned DPN's, and went to magic loop.

As I get older, I prefer to knit. Tracey Ullman UPDATED! WITH PICS!

ok,,, what is a magic loop.. lol,, thanks
peggity Posted - 10/25/2012 : 10:11:28 AM
Don't remember where I learned this trick for tightening up the first round join, but it works well.
When beginning the join, insert the needle purlwise and use the tail yarn to purl the first stitch, but leave the stitch on the needle. Pull the tail yarn all the way through and leave it hanging at the front of your work. Now knit into that first stitch as usual. After completing the first round, flip the tail yarn from the front of your knitting to the back, tightening the join.

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LoplollyBlue Posted - 10/25/2012 : 10:07:53 AM
I like dpn's for socks and don't have a problem with ladders. I am a tight knitter so that might be why but I read/heard somewhere that one doesn't get ladders when using 4 dpn's instead of 3 (5 instead of 4). It has to do with the angle produced. I almost always (can't remember when I didn't) use the square (4 needle) way and, as I said above, just don't get ladders. But... if I were a looser knitter, would I?
geniaknitz Posted - 10/25/2012 : 09:16:51 AM
I'm with those who say to tighten the first and second stitch. I learned that trick from Cat Bordhi and I don't even have to think about it anymore. I never have ladders, with any kind of DPNs.
I DO, almost always, have a loose spot on the cast-on row - anybody have a trick for making the initial joining disappear? I can fix it when I weave in the tail, but I'd love for it not to happen at all.
Beth2 Posted - 10/25/2012 : 08:41:03 AM
I love dpns and never have a problem with ladders when knitting socks. It has become second nature to knit the first, second and last stitches on every needle with an increase in tension. With a bit of practice, it becomes clear how much to increase the tension to have a smooth transition between needles.

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shabet Posted - 10/25/2012 : 07:49:50 AM
Whenever I use DPN's, whether for socks, hats, or whatever, I just constantly change the number of stitches per needle. If I start with 42 stitches as three needles of 14, for example, I'll make a point to knit 15 or 16 stitches onto each needle, continuously moving where the split between needles falls. If there's some specific reason that I need to keep the same number of stitches for a few rounds I will, but never long enough to end up with laddering. As long as I have a stitch marker at the beginning of the round, this has worked for me.

The one time I tried to do magic loop I ended up with such bad laddering, that pair of socks has been hibernating on the needles for about 4 years. Someday I may get back to trying it again....
ikkivan Posted - 10/25/2012 : 07:12:50 AM
I first learned to knit socks on dp needles, as I advise others to do because I think it helps understand sock "architecture." However, once I knew what was going on, I switched to Magic Loop. I have no ladder problems, but if I did, there are only TWO spots to deal with instead of three or four. I will never go back to dpns ... well, okay, if on a desert island with only those available!

I also agree with the idea of making sure the needles come together at a place where a stitch pattern changes.

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lemons Posted - 10/25/2012 : 05:12:17 AM
Yes, I think of Fran often. She was a guiding star for many of us. As to the ladders: I find much less of a problem with bamboo needles, which seem to grab the yarn much better. And the second-stitch thing works for me. Those ladders kept me from trying socks for years and years. Now I probably have two dozen pairs.
Jane Posted - 10/25/2012 : 04:34:11 AM
I learned almost everything I know about knitting socks (and more) from our dear Fran Marrs, so when I saw this topic I went to the archives to see what she had to say. Here's her post from this thread in June, 2006:

"Knit the first stitch tighter but remember it will loosen up again. After you knit the second stitch, tug a little on the yarn and it will lock the first one in place. The ladder is caused not by the stitch but the segment of yarn between the stitches. Sometimes we work very hard to get the stitches tight and forget about the small segment of yarn between them.

Yes, it is more difficult if you are a tight knitter because you do not have as much leeway to tighten up your already tight stitches.

Finally, don't worry about it. Two things will happen. With experience and practice your ladders will disappear. And it will all come out in the wash. After a few washings, your ladders will disappear. Elizabeth Zimmerman once said that she had thought earlier knitters were so perfect because their stitches were so even. Then she noticed that as her own knitted garments were worn and laundered, the stitches evened out and kept looking better and better.

Ladders in socks is an issue that will take care of itself the more you knit socks and the more the socks are worn.


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