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Renee77
Chatty Knitter
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 Posted - 09/28/2005 : 8:29:02 PM
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honeybee wrote:
"It's about Lisbeth Upitis going to Turkey for-gosh-sakes to record Latvian mitten patterns before they become extinct."
That's wonderful! Except Latvia isn't in Turkey. It isn't anywhere near Turkey. Latvia is a small country on the Baltic Sea, located inbetween Lithuania and Estonia. Upitis studied this area of knitting because she married the son of a Latvian immigrant family, and in this way was introduced to all the mitten patterns.
Now, I could make assumptions about your knowledge of geography. But I won't.
I am still of the opinion that Rick Mondragen's tastes have an effect on the content of Knitter's. He was spotted at last week's Stitches convention wearing bright green pants. It's his right to wear whatever he wants. The difficulty is that his tastes, I believe, have too much bearing on the garments that are chosen to appear in Knitters.
Someone above mentioned that out of the 34,000,000 knitters around nowadays, 4,000,000 are new. A yarn company distributor told me that the number of knitters has doubled in the past ten years, and this rapid growth is what has fueled the interest in novelty yarns.
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honeybee33
Warming Up
USA
74 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2005 : 8:48:42 PM
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Originally posted by Renee77
honeybee wrote:
"It's about Lisbeth Upitis going to Turkey for-gosh-sakes to record Latvian mitten patterns before they become extinct."
That's wonderful! Except Latvia isn't in Turkey. It isn't anywhere near Turkey. Latvia is a small country on the Baltic Sea, located inbetween Lithuania and Estonia. Upitis studied this area of knitting because she married the son of a Latvian immigrant family, and in this way was introduced to all the mitten patterns.
oops! I could've sworn she said she'd had to go to Turkey to study the few original Latvian mittens that were left that she discovered in a museum there. Hmmm -- maybe that was Anna Zilboorg studying Turkish socks. Oh dear, I'm confusing my fabulous historical-preservation knitters. [:00]
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Now, I could make assumptions about your knowledge of geography. But I won't.
*giggle* Assume away! You'd be correct - my knowledge of geography is as bad as my memory lately.
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Lanea
Permanent Resident
USA
5159 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2005 : 05:29:36 AM
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I view "knitterly" much as I view "painterly." Or much as I view the concept of a "musician's musician." Paintings that are considered "painterly" often display techniques that may be difficult for a beginning painter to master but which add something beautiful to the work. Tom Waits is a classic musician's musician--some folks without much of a musical background may not understand all of his work, but those who have studied ir played a lot of music can hear musical quotes and techniques that are really exciting. Someone who doesn't know much about knitting probably doesn't understand all of the complexity in a fine pair of Latvian mittens or a beautiful cabled sweater or in a new design technique or good shaping--they just know whether or not a finished item pleases them.
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KL
Permanent Resident
6041 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2005 : 06:44:37 AM
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| To the point of "knitterly-ness", and all the interesting comments on the craft and or art; it sounds like we are sll ripe for a new Magazine. Any writers or publishers out there? What a terrific place to cull from, with the expertise of this group. Could even be called KNITTERLY-NESS! JMO- KL |
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RachelKnitter
Permanent Resident
USA
2995 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2005 : 07:24:21 AM
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Or how about Knitterly Quarterly? (Anybody feel free to steal that..ain't no magazine startin' over here!)
Lanea, I love your assessment and tend to agree. And I love Tom Waits, but I am the musical equivalent to the Supreme Court deciding what is and is not pornography: I know what I like when I hear it. I'm sooo not a music expert....
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You are about to be told one more time that you are America’s most valuable natural resource. Have you seen what they do to valuable natural resources? -Utah Phillips, addressing a group of young people |
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RoseByAny
Permanent Resident
USA
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Posted - 09/29/2005 : 07:43:57 AM
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I got in trouble in college (I know this is a shock to you all) for being a smartass in one of my music classes. The teacher asked what constitutes "music" and I responded that to me, art is something that makes you feel, so the screech-fart music (yes, I used those words) she was playing wasn't music because it didn't inspire emotion in me, but if it inspired emotion in someone else, they were wrong it was music to them.
Something can be beautiful to one person (or offensive to one person) and not to others. In fact, that whole principle is a beautiful one, because it gives us such a varied world.
I would simplify the "what is knitterly" question down to this: if the work is done for the joy of knitting (product or process) it is knitterly. If it is done for the participation in a trend alone, it's not. So the most intricate knitted garment in the world could be non-knitterly - because it was done for the sake of a trend, and the rattiest scrap of garter stitch with dropped and split stitches, can be knitterly, because it was done for the joy of knitting.
"Choose your friends by their character and your socks by their color. Choosing your socks by their character makes no sense, and choosing your friends by their color is unthinkable."
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KL
Permanent Resident
6041 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2005 : 07:55:03 AM
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| But, Rachel- You could be a major contributer! I like the name of the Mag also. KL |
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Lanea
Permanent Resident
USA
5159 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2005 : 09:13:13 AM
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I don't see why that would get you into trouble!
Amie, I want to see how you would organize a music shop. In fact, I want a rack divider of my very own labeled "SCREECH-FART." It would be an empty section, but running across the empty screech-fart section might placate me a little bit over the missing good music.
Would screech-fart be a subcategory of opera, jazz, or rock? Or would it be its own section. Is it a type of fusion?
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RoseByAny
Permanent Resident
USA
12598 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2005 : 09:24:43 AM
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Noooo... screech-fart is that really wonky "new-age" stuff that has sheet music written like a rorschach test. It's seemingly random splats and (literally) screeches, and not based at all on either the Eastern or Western scales or notation systems. I'm trying to think of some "composers" of it, but I'm blanking. Probably because I don't think they're composers but just people with food poisoning. It definitely gets its own rack in my music store, in a dark, dusty corner, far away from everything else.
But to each his/her own. 
"Choose your friends by their character and your socks by their color. Choosing your socks by their character makes no sense, and choosing your friends by their color is unthinkable."
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knit_cookie
Gabber Extraordinaire
388 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2005 : 09:31:50 AM
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| I think of someone as knitterly if they love knitting, and it has nothing to do with attention to detail. A grandmother who knits with Red Heart yarn because she loves the craft so much and can't afford wool is a perfect example to me. I know people who knit tons of novelty scarves, and others who knit one exquisite sweater per year with every detail carefully planned out and executed. Yes, I think the latter is a better knitter (skillwise), but I think they are both equally knitterly. Knitterly, to me, is about enthusiasm for knitting. |
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KathyR
Permanent Resident
New Zealand
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Posted - 09/29/2005 : 3:57:58 PM
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Didn't Ross on "Friends" play "screech-fart" music on his keyboard? 
KathyR
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Momma78239
Permanent Resident
USA
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Posted - 09/29/2005 : 10:37:02 PM
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I think a large part of the reason that there aren't many "classic" patterns in modern magazines and collections is that classics don't change much and don't need to be re-published year after year. And a lot of the knitterly people don't need a pattern for a pullover, or a hat, or a lace scarf, or a pair of socks. I know that I rarely, if ever, use a pattern anymore, and when I do, it's because the shape or pattern is intriguing and I can't figure it out just from the picture.
On the other hand, newer knitters need a pattern for nearly everything - even the simplest scarf! That means that new knitters are much greater consumers of knitting magazines and patterns than established, experienced, "knitterly" knitters. Of course an intelligent publisher is going to recognize that and weight his or her publication toward that market.
Now, a responsible publisher who was committed to the craft would probably also publish regular articles about advanced techniques, and also at least a few more difficult patterns in each issue.
-WendyM
And all the women that were wise hearted did spin with their hands, and brought that which they had spun, both of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine linen. Exodus 35:25 |
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knittingbaglady
Permanent Resident
USA
1207 Posts |
Posted - 10/01/2005 : 05:15:23 AM
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I'm really enjoying this topic, and want to respond to the knitter who brought up the point of the knitted items being just another chore. Years ago I read a book that was a collection of journal entries written by women in the 1800's. The one that stayed with me was a mid-wife from Maine who, in her day, birthed over 1,000 babies. She described her busy day, and continued to say that she stayed up all night dipping candles...so I know the chores and hardships were there. I can't help but notice though, that many of these knitted items had glorious designs, or tiny flowers added, or a bit of lace here...or...as many plain ones as there were, I think it was one of the few times a woman could use here needles for self expression. Like the stories/opinions sewn into the old quilts...
Martha.
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