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CatherineM
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Posted - 11/25/2007 :  11:01:32 AM  Show Profile  Visit CatherineM's Homepage Send CatherineM a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Bethany

quote:
Originally posted by mokey

I can't blame people for being upset. It is "Knitting Daily" not "Knitting Daily with Crochet."



Of course those people got upset. They were actually forced to NOT READ something that didn't interest them FOR ONE DAY. What a hardship! Next thing you know, Knitting Daily might start posting columns about lace knitting or socks knowing there are some knitters who don't like lace knitting or socks, and then THOSE knitters might have to skip a column, too. Where will it end?




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It's the sense of entitlement that KILLS me - "I subscribed to a FREE knitting newsletter and now I want to dictate content, and throw a childish little hissy fit (Love the one that announced: "I HATE crochet!" - I wonder if that one actually stamped her feet and turned red in the face as she typed it) if the content doesn't suit me!"

I subscribe to Knitting Daily too, and there have been many days that I skimmed the topic and hit the delete key if I had no interest. The very idea that IK might be using this FREE newsletter as a promotional tool for its publications, instead of to fulfill the needs and desires of every highstrung nitwit who signed up for it - who'd a thought?

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fiberlicious
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Posted - 11/25/2007 :  2:35:06 PM  Show Profile Send fiberlicious a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Bethany

quote:
Originally posted by fiberlicious

I agree completely with Of Troy when it comes to knitting magazines I pay for. I have nothing against crochet, but when I buy a knitting magazine, I want KNITTING!



[quote]That's also pretty much the objections of the people on Crochetville who were complaining about projects that incorporate both knitting and crochet appearing in Interweave.

I can understand their frustration but at the same time, combining knitting and crochet has a lot of possibility to produce cool stuff, and if those patterns are excluded from both knitting and crochet magazines, where are they going to be published?


That's an entirely different issue than finding six all-crochet patterns in a knitting magazine. I, too, think that crochet and knitting can be combined in interesting ways, and wouldn't be unhappy to see such patterns. But save the granny square afghan patterns and the crochet baby hats for CROCHET mags.
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probablyjane
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Posted - 11/25/2007 :  5:54:51 PM  Show Profile  Visit probablyjane's Homepage Send probablyjane a Private Message
[quote]Originally posted by Valk_scot

Everyone seen this?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JZcUjYpjKZs




Evidently not...

http://janesprobablyknitting.blogspot.com/
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fiberlicious
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Posted - 11/25/2007 :  9:29:21 PM  Show Profile Send fiberlicious a Private Message
Yes, it's hilarious. But I wonder if they spelled "sudent" wrong on purpose...
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kdcrowley
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Posted - 11/26/2007 :  12:21:55 AM  Show Profile  Visit kdcrowley's Homepage Send kdcrowley a Private Message
The video was very strange.....as someone that became a hooker when she was 9, my heart goes out to the little hooker.

Did anyone notice that the knitters used many of the arguments used by bigots? You know the ones...."(insert group here) are just stupider, have smaller brains, are useless and can't do things right"...."(insert superior group here) are smarter, better, and have a long history of being so, as evolution clearly supports."

**sigh**

Kelley
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Lanea
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Posted - 11/26/2007 :  07:50:39 AM  Show Profile  Visit Lanea's Homepage Send Lanea a Private Message
You are seeing yet another proof of John Gabriel's Greater Internet _____wad Theory.
Normal person + anonymity + audience = total _____wad.
It's perfectly ok to not want crochet patterns, even to wish they weren't posted in a free knitting newsletter. But to be a jerk about it is not ok. Sadly, it's quite common. Ask me how I know, says the web monkey.

I'd post a link to a great cartoon illustrating the theory, but it's not work safe, so I'll let you kids search for it on your own. Google John Gabriel, Penny Arcade, and Green Blackboards and you'll find a lovely illustration (which contains a lot of truth, but also bad words).

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of troy
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Posted - 11/26/2007 :  10:39:42 AM  Show Profile  Visit of troy's Homepage Send of troy a Private Message
i think the You Tube Video was tongue in cheek.. i think they were trying to point out, that there is nothing wrong or inferior to crochet (and i don't think there is!)

they were intentionally using 'classic' terms to denigrate crocheters, including calling them hookers (a word with a mixed meaning!)

there maybe some who do think crochet is an inferior craft.. but i am not one..

i think crochet has a place, (as does knitting, and needlepoint, and crewel embroidery, and cross stitch, and ...)

I happen to like knitting better.. (but there is some crochet lace that is out of this world!)

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kdcrowley
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Posted - 11/26/2007 :  4:57:42 PM  Show Profile  Visit kdcrowley's Homepage Send kdcrowley a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by of troy

i think the You Tube Video was tongue in cheek.. i think they were trying to point out, that there is nothing wrong or inferior to crochet (and i don't think there is!)




Agreed, but it could have been shorter.

Kelley
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probablyjane
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Posted - 11/26/2007 :  5:55:55 PM  Show Profile  Visit probablyjane's Homepage Send probablyjane a Private Message
[size=1][quote]Originally posted by kdcrowley

Agreed, but it could have been shorter.

Perhaps they should have left the crochet out...

http://janesprobablyknitting.blogspot.com/
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Mocha
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Posted - 11/26/2007 :  8:46:33 PM  Show Profile Send Mocha a Private Message
The category says 'mockumery'. Not 'documentary'. It should be in same category as comedy/parody.
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virtualpurl
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Posted - 11/27/2007 :  07:32:31 AM  Show Profile Send virtualpurl a Private Message
Lanea is right. It's not whether people like or dislike crochet, it's the anger, even rage, with which they discuss what seems like a pretty innocuous issue. Rage is all over the web. I don't understand its prevalence, but it seems important.
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fiberlicious
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Posted - 11/27/2007 :  9:34:16 PM  Show Profile Send fiberlicious a Private Message
I didn't read any real rage in this video - more like mocking the anti-crochet idiots.
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achrisvet
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Posted - 11/28/2007 :  06:51:54 AM  Show Profile Send achrisvet a Private Message
OK I just went to the KD website and I'm reading some posts on crochet. I haven't gotten to anything really hostile yet but I came across this comment and loved it:

quote:
Isn't it all fiber manipulation when we come right down to it? Knit, crochet, felt - it's all playing with yarn. I mean, really, aren't we just kittens with opposable thumbs?

Comment by: andi s | November 14, 2007




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achrisvet
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Posted - 11/28/2007 :  07:05:20 AM  Show Profile Send achrisvet a Private Message
For those of you having trouble finding the comments, here's a link to the comments on the Melange Vest:

http://www.knittingdaily.com/posts/crochet/281-1.html#readcomments

I have to say that most of them seem to be reacting to the few negative comments defensively or wonderingly. There are a few outright hostile comments, though. There may be other places where more hostility is shown.
I don't get it either. I just don't bother with the articles that don't interest me. No need to get mad about it, especially in a free publication!


ETA: There was a long thread on KR about this a while ago. The subject line was something like "How do knitters treat crocheters?"

There was one comment on the link I just gave you that declared that all crochet was fugly. Now that's just rude.


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virtualpurl
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Posted - 11/28/2007 :  07:43:51 AM  Show Profile Send virtualpurl a Private Message
Yes, maybe "rage" was an overstatement. I may be hypersensitive because of a recent experience with online attacks. (That had nothing to do with fiber.)
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TreesbytheSea
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Posted - 11/28/2007 :  08:05:52 AM  Show Profile Send TreesbytheSea a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by virtualpurl

Lanea is right. It's not whether people like or dislike crochet, it's the anger, even rage, with which they discuss what seems like a pretty innocuous issue. Rage is all over the web. I don't understand its prevalence, but it seems important.


Very well said. I find it is in no way limited to the web. More and more people have no manners these days no matter where they are, especially in traffic, or malls.
I can not grasp why people try to make an issue out of crochet vs knit. The way I see it, there is no issue. Love the "kittens with thumbs" thing, and couldn't agree more.

Personally, I am a knitter that aspires to learn crochet someday soon. I am not about to insult the artists that I want to learn from.
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Lanea
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Posted - 11/28/2007 :  08:41:02 AM  Show Profile  Visit Lanea's Homepage Send Lanea a Private Message
I'm a good knitter but a completely incompetent crocheter. Personally, I envy people who can do both equally well. Maybe some of the hostility is related to jealousy? Or a sense of entitlement? Or a lack of coffee or cashmere or chocolate?

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Kade1301
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Posted - 12/01/2007 :  12:32:03 PM  Show Profile  Visit Kade1301's Homepage Send Kade1301 a Private Message
Thanks for this topic and the link to the "melange vest"! I missed the crochet article in Knitting Daily because I unsubscribed after reading too many ads (and too few articles that interested me) for too long a time, now I'm beginning to regret it.

Oh, and I would love to love crochet (I've even bought a few books on the subject), but so far the bug simply hasn't bitten :-( Even though there's the most beautiful projects in French pattern magazines (and yes, there's often a few crochet patterns thrown in between the knitting patterns, and combined ones), and I did buy a full set of crochet hooks. But so far all I've made is a bag (seems I turned instinctively to crochet when I wanted a thick fabric). I'm really not proud of myself, but even when I was a kid and an aunt told my mother that crochet would be easier for my small hands I preferred knitting. But that's no reason to look down on crocheters - what's wrong with people?

Klara

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NCmusiclady
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Posted - 12/05/2007 :  10:46:46 AM  Show Profile Send NCmusiclady a Private Message
I'd like to know how to read the comments - guess I'm a dummy too!

What I find irritating is that Knitting Daily has become one long advertisement for their magazines and books - only one out of 5 to 10 emails actually have content in them. I would rather receive more information less often than to open it up thinking, "Oh goodie, something new!" and it's just another ad.

Oh well, like someone said - it is FREE!
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schrafinator
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Posted - 12/05/2007 :  12:32:02 PM  Show Profile Send schrafinator a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Valk_scot

Everyone seen this?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JZcUjYpjKZs




That.

Was.

Brilliant.
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