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Clara
queen bee

USA
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Posted - 09/07/2011 :  6:46:37 PM  Show Profile  Visit Clara's Homepage Send Clara a Private Message  Reply with Quote
An Indian company called Knitter's Pride has just launched, and among its needle offerings is the Symfonie Dreamz series. Ridiculous spelling aside, the series features colorful wooden needles in single-pointed straights, DPNs, circulars, and interchangeable circs. How do they compare to the other colorful wooden needles out there? I have a few observations to help give you a sense of what these are and how they fit into the market.

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hillstreetmama
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USA
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Posted - 09/08/2011 :  04:01:40 AM  Show Profile Send hillstreetmama a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Just guessing here, but I'm assuming this is the company that manufactures knitpicks needles? It's nice that they'll be available in the LYS.

Jan
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Tessellate
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Posted - 09/08/2011 :  05:29:21 AM  Show Profile Send Tessellate a Private Message  Reply with Quote
They sure do look just like Knit Picks Harmony in prettier colors! If so, anyone interested in them might want to check on how easy it is to exchange defective needles and cables - I love my Harmony set and use it heavily, but have had several cables and two needle tips that had to be exchanged because of manufacturing defects. Knit Picks does this immediately - call them and you have the replacement two days later. Not sure how this would work with Symfonie Dreamz.
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peggymchoe
Warming Up

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Posted - 09/08/2011 :  06:07:51 AM  Show Profile Send peggymchoe a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've kind of given up on interchangeables. I have a set of Denises that I use when desperate or as stitch holders. There are just too many choices (!) and it's too hard for me to determine whether a set will be worth the investment, given that even though I did try the Denises in my LYS (now closed), it turned out that the short trial was insufficient for me to know the ins and outs of the set.
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Susannahknits
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Canada
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Posted - 09/08/2011 :  06:11:57 AM  Show Profile Send Susannahknits a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I agree that, apart from the different colours, they do resemble KnitPicks Harmony needles, although they might not necessarily be KnitPicks' supplier.

I'm definitely interested; but since I've invested heavily in KnitPicks' Harmony interchangeables over the years, my big question would be this: would they fit seamlessly onto KnitPicks cables?

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lablanche
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Posted - 09/08/2011 :  07:36:06 AM  Show Profile Send lablanche a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I was a big of Knit Picks Harmony needles, but grew frustrated with the quality issues. I was given a set of Symfonie Rose for this past Christmas, and while I think they are better made than the regular set, the dark colour was really hard to work with finer gauge yarns like lace and fingering in black, navy and purple.

Then I found DyakCraft, and I have a set of the Vermont Apple colour, a beautiful light brown. I have been knitting for decades, and these are exceptional needles, worth the extra cost and long wait. Since metal needles hurt my hands, wood or plastic are the only materials I can use. Unfortunately, they are usually fragile in smaller sizes. I broke all my Harmonies and Zephyrs in the sizes smaller than 5mm, more than once. They (and the cables that broke), were replaced readily by KnitPicks, but I grew tired of worrying if I would lose hundreds of stitches when a cable or needle came apart. I destashed all but the sizes not offered by DyakCraft.

I have been using the DC needles for a few months, now. At first they are a bit tacky, but they soon develop a smooth patina. They have an unusual, curved point that behaves more like a lace needle. I had to knit really hard on them the first month because I was preparing items for a show, and I knit sometimes as long as 10-12 hours a day, with no hand fatigue. My shoulder bothered me, but not my hands. I have been using a fixed 2.75mm circular on a Hanne Falkenberg cardigan for over a month, and there is neither bowing nor even the hint of a break. I even accidentally stepped on it (don't tell Tom). The fixed has a different finish from the set, but it also gets smoother with usage. The only problem is they don't have a swivel cable in the smaller sizes.

They are made from the same materials as the Knitter's Pride and KnitPicks, but much, much stronger and smoother. No key is necessary to tighten, and the finish gets better with age, not pitted like I found with my Harmonies. The swivel cables can be ordered in custom lengths. I ordered a 66" cable with my first set. I even ordered a second, smaller set (sizes 4-9) in a beautiful blue-green with cables to make a 36" and 47" needle.

Bottom line? Yes, they are more expensive than Knitters Pride, but they carry a guarantee for as long as Tom Diak makes them and they are made in the US. They are less than other premium sets like Addi, Lantern Moon and Colonial, needle lengths at 3.5" or 5", tip style (lace or regular) and have a dozen colours to choose from. From what I understand, the needles will be in yarn stores when they can catch up with the demand.

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suecq
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USA
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Posted - 09/08/2011 :  08:09:19 AM  Show Profile Send suecq a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have to agree with Lablanche. The Dyak interchangeables are just about perfect for me. The finish on the tips is not as laquered as the KP tips. This gives the knitter more of a wood feel to the tips. The cables have a swivel in them which helps to tame them while knitting. The swivel also eliminates the tip from unscrewing while knitting.

I also have the Vermont Apple and the wood grain is just beautiful. My only complaint is that I keep stopping my knitting to admire the tips.
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kbshee
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USA
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Posted - 09/08/2011 :  08:11:11 AM  Show Profile Send kbshee a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I love the idea of a different color for every size.

kim in oregon
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lablanche
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Posted - 09/08/2011 :  08:16:24 AM  Show Profile Send lablanche a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Many have ordered mixed colour sets from DyakCraft. You just have to ask for them. Some have only two colours, others have asked for every needle to be different.
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churchlady
Warming Up

Canada
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Posted - 09/08/2011 :  08:17:20 AM  Show Profile Send churchlady a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It would be nice to have interchangeables that didn't need a needlegaugue in the pouch. Ironic that Clara talks about the "candy" colours--the word comes from one of the Indian languages: kandi means boiled sugar, and if you've ever seen an Indian sweet shop, you'd know why--they must have the world's biggest sweet tooth--next to Scots.
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Carol Metzger
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USA
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Posted - 09/08/2011 :  08:54:47 AM  Show Profile  Visit Carol Metzger's Homepage  Send Carol Metzger a Yahoo! Message Send Carol Metzger a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Same question as Susannah -- are the cable connectors "universal"? I am way into open source.

http://cfmdesigns.net/
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tsocktsarina
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Posted - 09/08/2011 :  09:26:18 AM  Show Profile  Visit tsocktsarina's Homepage Send tsocktsarina a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Not only are these suspiciously similar to the KnitPicks needles, they bear an even more striking resemblance to the KnitPro line (same manufacturer, different/European branding, same threading etc.), even to using identical names. KnitPro also calls its comparable lines of needles "Symfonie Dreamz," "Symfonie Rose," "Nova," etc. KnitPro is supposedly based in Germany, but somehow this doesn't smell like a coincidence to me.
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Clara
queen bee

USA
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Posted - 09/08/2011 :  09:32:50 AM  Show Profile  Visit Clara's Homepage Send Clara a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You guys are very good! KnitPro is their European brand name. Same company, same connectors.

Clara
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Jaknit
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Posted - 09/08/2011 :  10:59:35 AM  Show Profile Send Jaknit a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thank you for the review, Clara. I would pass on these needles, since you reviewed the nylon cables as black. My poor old eyes require greater contrast with yarn, and the KnitPicks needles meet my needs perfectly.

Jan
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ikkivan
Gabber Extraordinaire

USA
544 Posts

Posted - 09/09/2011 :  06:46:44 AM  Show Profile  Visit ikkivan's Homepage Send ikkivan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Lablanche and those of you with the DyakCraft swivel needles ... do the stitches really move smoothly over those joins in BOTH directions? I watched with interest a Ravelry video on these and am very interested in getting some; I do have some of the Lantern Moon swivels and yarn (or pieces thereof) sometimes catches in that teeny space where the cord comes out of the swivel part. I guess I've not really seen a need for that personally, but I'm always open to ideas for improvements! I LOVE wooden needles and may ask for some of these for Christmas.

I dislike the KnitPicks needles except in the smallest "sock" sizes because the tips are too sharp and that line/ridge where the taper meets the shaft works like a speed bump (for me, anyway) and slows me down. These problems seem more pronounced the larger the size of the tips.

Yep, the first thing I thought when I read Clara's review of the Symfonie Dreamz was, "Hey, these look just like the Knit Picks needles."

Donna, with intentions always bigger than her available time. (OkieDokieKnitter on Ravelry)
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lablanche
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Posted - 09/09/2011 :  07:48:19 AM  Show Profile Send lablanche a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The stitches move effortlessly in both directions, and the regular points have a gradual curve with no discernible bump. The only time I have found a hitch is in the hundreds of hours I have knit with them, there were a couple of times when I was using a needle just attached to a cable. I hadn't tightened it well enough, and it started to loosen. Yarn caught in the tiny space, waaay before it came apart. I gave it a firmer twist, and it stayed together for the rest of the project. I was knitting small shawls out of lace weight, so I was knitting with the same needle for at least four days. There is a group on Ravelry with a lot of happy owners, check it out.
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Jane
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USA
4390 Posts

Posted - 09/09/2011 :  09:45:14 AM  Show Profile  Visit Jane's Homepage Send Jane a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I ordered a DyakCraft set on the first day they were available (mine are set #18!), and I don't want to knit with anything else. The joins are wonderful, the points are just sharp enough for lace and cabling w/o a cable needle, and the needle length is perfect for me (I have the 5-inch). The workmanship is outstanding. I can't recommend them highly enough! I'll be bringing them to the Retreat if anyone wants to try them out.

Jane

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shejoh
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Posted - 09/10/2011 :  10:35:52 AM  Show Profile Send shejoh a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have a set of the DyakCraft interchangeables (wood, 5" sunrise large set) and I'm in love with them. If you knit with fingering weight yarns and have ever struggled with a bumpy join on another brand, you will absolutely adore DyakCraft. They're made in the US by a lovely couple who has a passion for providing excellent customer service. Personally, I don't find them prohibitively expensive at $140 for a large set (with the option for a small set if you don't need the larger sizes): I think expensive = buying a set for less that you'll wind up never using because they're of poor quality. Do you have to wait a smidge right now for a DyakCraft set? Yes. Why? Because they're so wonderful that they're incredibly popular and it's tough for the Diaks to keep up with the demand. What better endorsement do you need than that? I am not sure how the reviewer has been waiting since January for a set since I ordered in May and have now had mine for some time. She should email to ask if something fell through the cracks.
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MelissaKnits
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USA
15 Posts

Posted - 09/12/2011 :  1:02:21 PM  Show Profile  Visit MelissaKnits's Homepage Send MelissaKnits a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I absolutely adore my DyakCraft interchangable needles. I can't say enough wonderful things about Tom and Linda's work. The colors, the smoothness and strength of the needle shaft, the join; love it all.

But I recognize that there is a market for a less expensive needle. For example, if I am travelling I don't necessarily want to take my DyakCraft needles where they might be lost or misappropriated. Knitter's Pride needles fit the bill while allowing me to buy from my LYS directly. Gotta love that.

MelissaKnits
melissa-knits.blogspot.com
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honolulurn@yahoo.com
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Posted - 09/15/2011 :  3:28:12 PM  Show Profile Send honolulurn@yahoo.com a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I’m very excited about Knitters Pride also! However I just wanted to post my response to Webs customer service after I got my order of Knitters Pride needles. I still love them, but want to warn people that they DON’T WORK WITH THE 16” CABLE. Here’s my email to customer service:
Hi,
I realize with any new product, there will be glitches. On the one hand, I figured by ordering immediately, I would be among the first to get these needles before they sold out and became backordered…on the other hand, I was risking being a victim of a “glitch”. Well, I gambled and lost!
On the original descriptions on the Webs site, the interchangeable needles were described as 4 inches long, and when combined with the 16” cable, would give a 16” length, tip-to-tip, which is the shorter length needle preferred by knitters who use 2 circulars to knit small diameter items (this is what the description said). I became excited by this, but looking at the photos on your website, they seemed the same as my KnitPicks (made by KnitPro) needles. I posted a comment on the Knitters Pride group on Ravelry regarding this. I did not receive a reply from the moderator. I had already placed my order for these needles with Webs. A few days later I received them, and to my disappointment, the needle tips are 4.5” and with the short cable make a needle 18” long. Worse, the needle tips are too long to comfortably knit with the short cable. If they had been 4” long I think it would have been doable. (The fixed 16” length circulars have 3.5” needle tips.)
Going back to the Webs site, the descriptions have been changed to say the tips are 4.5” long, and with the 16” cable give a needle 18.25” long. I know the description has been changed because I saw it before the change, but regardless the change is obvious if you read the new description, as follows:
“Please note that the cable lengths sold below reflect the final length of circular needle (i.e. the cable plus the two needle tips), and not the length of the cable itself. The 16” Cable when combined with the 4.5” tips creates an 18.25” long circular needle.”
It contradicts itself--“cable length reflects final length of needle” but 16” cable does not give 16” circular needle.
All of this would have been no big deal, except that the tips are too long to use with the short cable. You cannot make a circle and knit--either the tips need to be shorter, which is what I thought I was getting--or the cable needs to be longer, but that would defeat the purpose because there are already 24” cables made.
I would love Knitters Pride to start developing a 3.5” interchangeable needle! It would sell like hotcakes, because as stated in the Webs original description, interchangeable needles in a 16” length truly are preferred by the vast number of knitters who use the 2 circs method for socks and gloves!

Thank you,
Linda Walker
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pamulla@earthlink.net
Chatty Knitter

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Posted - 10/01/2011 :  07:36:54 AM  Show Profile  Visit pamulla@earthlink.net's Homepage Send pamulla@earthlink.net a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by shejoh

I have a set of the DyakCraft interchangeables (wood, 5" sunrise large set) and I'm in love with them. If you knit with fingering weight yarns and have ever struggled with a bumpy join on another brand, you will absolutely adore DyakCraft. They're made in the US by a lovely couple who has a passion for providing excellent customer service. Personally, I don't find them prohibitively expensive at $140 for a large set (with the option for a small set if you don't need the larger sizes): I think expensive = buying a set for less that you'll wind up never using because they're of poor quality. Do you have to wait a smidge right now for a DyakCraft set? Yes. Why? Because they're so wonderful that they're incredibly popular and it's tough for the Diaks to keep up with the demand. What better endorsement do you need than that? I am not sure how the reviewer has been waiting since January for a set since I ordered in May and have now had mine for some time. She should email to ask if something fell through the cracks.



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