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Davy
Warming Up

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Posted - 01/27/2006 :  12:54:38 AM  Show Profile Send Davy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Pugs, I too have more questions but suspect there are no difinitive answers. I contacted the only place that sells them apart from the manufacturers, the link to her site is on the main Patrick Green site. I e-mailed Susans site and asked a few questions.

1. Do P Green make finer cloth drums other than the standard Fur drum that comes with the carder. No, they do not Susan said, the only interchangeable drums are of a courser type, less teeth per sq inch. Hmmm.

2. What used to come as part of the kit the burnishing tool, now costs you an extra $45.

So it seems things have changed since that report appeared in the Spin-Off magazine that Val very kindly sent to us. This is the same Susan who wrote the report in the first place. Ah well back to the drawing board :-)

This link may help you a little Pugs if you don't already have it.

http://www.peak.org/~spark/fiberpreparation.html#BEST%20DRUM%20CARDER

I was papering my eldest daughters bathroom the other day and I had a thought. These wallpapering smoothing brushes look similar to the very expensive Strauch system brushes, and only a few pounds/dollars out of any hardware store. The idea of the brush is to push the fibre down below the points of the teeth, It would be easy to rig up and with a little experimentation find the optimum position for it, some one could hand hold it to start with to see if it would work. This would apply to any non brush drum carder you have, especially when carding those finer fibres you may be struggling with that I've been reading about. Just an idea.

Davy.



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Valk_scot
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Posted - 01/27/2006 :  01:20:16 AM  Show Profile Send Valk_scot a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I`ve read somewhere about using a wallpapering brush to smooth down the fibres on the drums. One of the other spinning groups? I was meaning to get one and try.

I also read that a medium weight bristle hairbrush was the ideal tool for getting out the last few stray fibres when you were cleaning off the drums. Seemed a good idea to me also so I`m going to get one of these as well. Ain`t it amazing what you can pick up by reading around a bit!


Val.


http://spinningfishwife.blogspot.com/
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Davy
Warming Up

United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/27/2006 :  03:23:53 AM  Show Profile Send Davy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The internet is such a huge place I'm not surprised that such a simple idea has been thought up before, now that you mention it, using a paste brush that is,very kind of you to point this out Val. So much for an original application of the basic concept. Best I keep my ideas to myself in the future, in case of duplication. ;-)

Davy.
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Valk_scot
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Posted - 01/27/2006 :  04:14:19 AM  Show Profile Send Valk_scot a Private Message  Reply with Quote
There is a concept in the scientific community that describes how whatever huge, secret world changing discovery you are working on in your totally sealed and security ringed compound, the minute you reveal your results you will discover that six other top secret teams have been working on the exact same earthshaking discovery in THEIR top secret security ringed labs.

This is so common that there is even a very long word for it, though I can`t actually remember what it is at the moment.

I expect it works for spinning too....;-)

Val.


http://spinningfishwife.blogspot.com/
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Davy
Warming Up

United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/27/2006 :  04:50:25 AM  Show Profile Send Davy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Synchronicity, is the word you are looking for, and implications of it are staggering. One of the ideas is that the human race is connected at a very deep level to an overmind in which all knowledge is stored. A possible explanation for a very strange phenomena. It is an concept that I subscribe too, and yes, it will for work spinning too :-)

Davy.

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truly violet
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Posted - 01/27/2006 :  06:49:50 AM  Show Profile  Visit truly violet's Homepage Send truly violet a Private Message  Reply with Quote
it also worked for sewing machines

vi


none of this will matter in 100 years.......
except I will finally be at my goal weight...vi
http://notashyviolet.blogspot.com/ ~now with chickens!
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pugsweater
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Posted - 01/27/2006 :  09:46:01 AM  Show Profile Send pugsweater a Private Message  Reply with Quote
i've been looking for such a brush, but couldn't find it. i have a snow brush (for swiping snow off car windows), but i want to attach the brush to my louet (which can't card fine fibers, or it could be just me).

last night, i went to walmart to get the tule cloth the article talked about, and some wood stain for something else and was in the brush department. i suppose i'll be going back to the wallpaper aisle this weekend!

thanx so much, davy!

i wish there's someone here in the forum who works with fine fibers who could/would chime in on what carder they use and if they like the job the carder did. there's no shop in the near vicinity that i could go check out drum carders on....and i dun suppose drum carders are like wheel(multiple wheel)...it'll be an overkill on my pocketbook....

you know what i've been thinking? strip off the cloth on the pat green and put on the strauch's 128! i'm nuts....now....the dimensions....

Pugknits Blog
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kdcrowley
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Posted - 01/27/2006 :  10:51:08 AM  Show Profile  Visit kdcrowley's Homepage Send kdcrowley a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Vi, Darlink, it all depends on what type of spinning you do!

Combs will give you very clean fiber and get all the vm out of the fiber, while creating a very lovely preparation. Combing is what makes top, and eventually worsted yarn.

Cards will create roving like prep, and will not get the most sticky vm out of the fiber.

Both preps will allow you to blend, but the effect will be different.

I have a Pat green carder that I got on ebay for a song, and could get a new drum for it but have not since the fur drum is the finest cloth and that is what they come with. I picked up a designer (Ralph Lauren) brush at Home Depot for 7$. It is the one that the sell to help you make the faux chambray paint finish on your walls. It's about 8 inches wide, perfect size for the drum width, but it is separate. Using that, I can absolutely pack the fiber onto the drum.

I think that it is also important with the drum carders and combs to try before you buy, just like a spinning wheel. Take some fiber with you to MS&W or whatever local fiber thing, and try the carders out. That is pretty much what I did, but did not try all of the brands before the PG came up on ebay.

Anyway, I would avoid the Ashfords like the plague, they just don't work all that well and have much smaller drums.

Oh, and while I have the carders, I now send the fiber out to be processed. Which means that I use it only for fiber I want to process myself, or for blending. Processing the fiber yourself will be tedious after a while.

Mistress Kelley of the Hellacious Sockknitting

Going to He** for buying sock yarn during Lent, but at least my feet won't be cold.


http://ceallachknits.blogspot.com
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kdcrowley
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Posted - 01/27/2006 :  12:46:36 PM  Show Profile  Visit kdcrowley's Homepage Send kdcrowley a Private Message  Reply with Quote

Vi, I found the Drum Carder for you!


http://cgi.ebay.com/Carding-Machine-12-drums-20lbs-per-hour-easy-to-run_W0QQitemZ8255090847QQcategoryZ36602QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[crazy]

Mistress Kelley of the Hellacious Sockknitting

Going to He** for buying sock yarn during Lent, but at least my feet won't be cold.


http://ceallachknits.blogspot.com
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truly violet
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Posted - 01/27/2006 :  1:49:00 PM  Show Profile  Visit truly violet's Homepage Send truly violet a Private Message  Reply with Quote
kelley you are sooooooooooooooo going to hell for that one
smart ass
and here
poor little violet
sniff
drumless
cardless
blending tuffs of fiber by HAND...........

sniff


what a smart ass

hahahahah
vi

none of this will matter in 100 years.......
except I will finally be at my goal weight...vi
http://notashyviolet.blogspot.com/ ~now with chickens!
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kdcrowley
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Posted - 01/27/2006 :  2:05:54 PM  Show Profile  Visit kdcrowley's Homepage Send kdcrowley a Private Message  Reply with Quote
there there
it's alright, sweetie.
soon you will have a drum carder that you can use to card it all with.

I just thought that everyone would appreciate this Machine, since we all have literally tons of fibers to prepare!

Mistress Kelley of the Hellacious Sockknitting

Going to He** for buying sock yarn during Lent, but at least my feet won't be cold.


http://ceallachknits.blogspot.com
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truly violet
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Posted - 01/27/2006 :  2:09:13 PM  Show Profile  Visit truly violet's Homepage Send truly violet a Private Message  Reply with Quote
sure sniff
dangle it in front of poor little violet
with soy silk and tencel ( demons invented them fibers)
to try and blend with wool......
sniff
working her poor little arthritic fingers to the BONES
tuft by tuft......
sniff
( wipes away tear)
sniff

no hand cards
no combs
no DRUM CARDER
sniff
and a cranky woodstove
sniff

and and
and
SNOW

vi

none of this will matter in 100 years.......
except I will finally be at my goal weight...vi
http://notashyviolet.blogspot.com/ ~now with chickens!
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Valk_scot
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Posted - 01/27/2006 :  3:58:39 PM  Show Profile Send Valk_scot a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Have you not got a couple of combs for your curly cats there, Vi? You can use them like mini Viking combs.

Val.


http://spinningfishwife.blogspot.com/
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truly violet
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Posted - 01/27/2006 :  4:15:36 PM  Show Profile  Visit truly violet's Homepage Send truly violet a Private Message  Reply with Quote
sniff
I got one
..............
full of curly cat hair it is.....
and vm from them playing with the logs for the woodstove.....
vi
but I am thinking kelley needs a bit more of the guilts for dangling a 4000 carder in front of me eyes.....
which would card EVERY bit of fiber in the house..... in like ten seconds.....
no?


none of this will matter in 100 years.......
except I will finally be at my goal weight...vi
http://notashyviolet.blogspot.com/ ~now with chickens!
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kdcrowley
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Posted - 01/27/2006 :  5:28:25 PM  Show Profile  Visit kdcrowley's Homepage Send kdcrowley a Private Message  Reply with Quote
On the contrary, after the 400 dollar carder, the others seem CHEAP!

Mistress Kelley of the Hellacious Sockknitting

Going to He** for buying sock yarn during Lent, but at least my feet won't be cold.


http://ceallachknits.blogspot.com
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truly violet
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Posted - 01/27/2006 :  5:43:43 PM  Show Profile  Visit truly violet's Homepage Send truly violet a Private Message  Reply with Quote
sniff

none of this will matter in 100 years.......
except I will finally be at my goal weight...vi
http://notashyviolet.blogspot.com/ ~now with chickens!
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Valk_scot
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Posted - 01/28/2006 :  01:28:09 AM  Show Profile Send Valk_scot a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You should get a set of hand carders right now, Vi, while you think about the other more expensive equipment. Whatever else you buy you`ll still use hand carders more often than anything else, for small amounts of fleece, a base for flicking, small test blend batches and for fine fibres that you don`t want to put into the drum carder. Also a drum carder needs a considerable quantity of fibre to make a decent batt so you can`t work with just a single ounce of something expensive.

Plus, of course, you can process a fleece just with hand carders, because that`s what they did in the old days. Hand carders are essential. Get a fine pair...I started off with 48 psi (pins per square inch?)and they were OK, but the Louet S40 came with an old pair of 96psi carders and I`ve never used the coarse ones since.

Val.


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truly violet
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Posted - 01/28/2006 :  06:57:52 AM  Show Profile  Visit truly violet's Homepage Send truly violet a Private Message  Reply with Quote
bernie did some hand carding at the alpaca farm....
he carded the rologs for some of the spinners
he told me that I better not
( I got bad wrists and hands to begin with)
so I really don't know what to do

vi

none of this will matter in 100 years.......
except I will finally be at my goal weight...vi
http://notashyviolet.blogspot.com/ ~now with chickens!
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Valk_scot
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Posted - 01/28/2006 :  08:12:01 AM  Show Profile Send Valk_scot a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Give Bernie the job full-time?

Seriously, you might not manage a manual drum carder either then, Vi. It`s fairly heavy going on the wrist and arm that you use for the crank. What about half-size hand carders? Louet (!) do a set, and they`re suitable for fine fibres and children can use them according to the Louet website.

Val.


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azblueskies
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Posted - 01/28/2006 :  08:51:14 AM  Show Profile Send azblueskies a Private Message  Reply with Quote
How do you card by hand, Vi? I just got some fiber in two different colors that I'd like to blend together. Drafting them gives a "barbershop" effect which I don't like. I played around with hair picks which sure didn't work except to make a mess....could I use dog combs? I'll get carders one of these days but right now hate to spend the $$. Only other thing I could think of was overdyeing them to get varigated yarn (I'll post that question in the dyeing section, too.) Any suggestions??

azblue
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