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Fivefibers
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Posted - 01/27/2007 :  12:24:34 PM  Show Profile Send Fivefibers a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here's the thing. My DH and I occasionally argue over his favorite jam/jelly thing. He claims blackberry preserves are his favorite. Okay by me. But, what exactly is the difference between blackberry and black raspberry? I can see a slight difference in the berries ... maybe. The taste seems quite similar, though.

Just tell me it's all in his mind.

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Momma78239
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Posted - 01/27/2007 :  12:36:16 PM  Show Profile  Visit Momma78239's Homepage  Send Momma78239 a Yahoo! Message Send Momma78239 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Of course it's all in his mind.

(Actually, I have no idea - but your logic makes sense to me)

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blr2449
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Posted - 01/27/2007 :  12:50:56 PM  Show Profile  Visit blr2449's Homepage  Send blr2449 a Yahoo! Message Send blr2449 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
No, sorry. Not all in the mind.

Plantus Factoidus: Blackberry vs Raspberry (and yes, the URL has a typo in it)

http://www.plantsgalore.com/articles/fruit/small-balckberry-vs-raspberry-plantfacts.htm

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RoseByAny
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Posted - 01/27/2007 :  12:54:21 PM  Show Profile  Visit RoseByAny's Homepage Send RoseByAny a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Unfortunately, he's right.

http://www.innvista.com/health/foods/fruits/blackber.htm

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/HS104

But we won't tell him, so you can ignore these answers if you'd prefer.

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truly violet
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Posted - 01/27/2007 :  1:10:38 PM  Show Profile  Visit truly violet's Homepage Send truly violet a Private Message  Reply with Quote
two different plants
two different berries
but similar tastes

so six of one half dozen of the other

vi

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except I will finally be at my goal weight...vi
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sjanova
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Posted - 01/27/2007 :  2:08:30 PM  Show Profile Send sjanova a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hmm. Well, they taste and look very different to me. Besides that, blackberries are best eaten as you pick them while black raspberries are good either way. And DH eats any kind of raspberries but doesn't like blackberries. So it's not so similar in our house.

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lemons
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Posted - 01/27/2007 :  2:21:06 PM  Show Profile Send lemons a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oh, gee, I think there's a big taste difference. I grew up on blackberries,the wild ones, not the big ones you find now in the stores, which are nice, but have much less flavor. But then I can tell the difference between Coke and Pepsi. We know there are inherited abilities to taste or not taste various things, which is why some people can't tell the difference in things artificially sweetened and those sweetened with regular sweeteners like cane sugar or corn syrup. I'm sure there are many not yet discovered, and this could be one of those.

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Momma78239
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Posted - 01/27/2007 :  2:31:33 PM  Show Profile  Visit Momma78239's Homepage  Send Momma78239 a Yahoo! Message Send Momma78239 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Another little known fact is that different people have different numbers of taste buds. Those with fewer are generally MUCH less picky about what they eat, and enjoy many different foods, but are less able to distinguish minor differences in flavors (can't tell the difference between natural and artificial vanilla, for example.

Those with more taste buds are very sensitive to differences in flavors and are much more likely to be picky eaters. They can easily tell the difference between artificial and natural vanilla - or between blackberries and black raspberries!

I'm a low taster, and I can't tell the difference between blackberries, raspberries, or even mulberries. I like them all - but they all taste the same to me.

Luckily - I can tell the difference between dark and milk chocolate. Mmmmmmmm - vive la difference!

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lucylocket
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Posted - 01/27/2007 :  7:26:31 PM  Show Profile Send lucylocket a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Are black raspberries the same fruit as Loganberries?? When I was a child(living in North Wales UK) my father grew a lot of fruit bushes and canes - we had Raspberries,Blackberries and Loganberries - all "drupe "types of fruit! Loganberries were more elongated than raspberries and had a different flavour and were reddish-purplish in colour - Do you have these in the U.S.?? Happy Knitting - Lucylocket[meow]

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knittynoddy
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Posted - 01/27/2007 :  11:15:33 PM  Show Profile  Visit knittynoddy's Homepage Send knittynoddy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yes, we have Loganberries in the U.S. - they are a blackberry x raspberry cross. We have a commercial black raspberry field right next to us (60 acres), and blackberries constantly trying to take over our field, so I can vouch for the difference!

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Fivefibers
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Posted - 01/28/2007 :  11:35:52 AM  Show Profile Send Fivefibers a Private Message  Reply with Quote
My head is spinning.......

Methinks I will plant some Loganberry bushes to make jam so that I can torment my other half!

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glccafar
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Posted - 01/28/2007 :  11:56:02 AM  Show Profile  Visit glccafar's Homepage Send glccafar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Where would one purchase Loganberry vines? Does anyone have a tip?
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kdcrowley
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Posted - 01/28/2007 :  12:05:47 PM  Show Profile  Visit kdcrowley's Homepage Send kdcrowley a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Momma78239

Another little known fact is that different people have different numbers of taste buds. Those with fewer are generally MUCH less picky about what they eat, and enjoy many different foods, but are less able to distinguish minor differences in flavors (can't tell the difference between natural and artificial vanilla, for example.

Those with more taste buds are very sensitive to differences in flavors and are much more likely to be picky eaters. They can easily tell the difference between artificial and natural vanilla - or between blackberries and black raspberries!

I'm a low taster, and I can't tell the difference between blackberries, raspberries, or even mulberries. I like them all - but they all taste the same to me.




That explains a lot... DH has this idea that I am a picky eater, when really I can just taste more than he can...like artificial sweeteners.....(hate them)

Of course, this is the man that loads pepper sauce on things that are beautiful and delicate in flavoring....nothing like watching him dump it on a beautiful quiche that you slaved over....turns out he;s just a Luddite, with less technology on his tongue. LOL

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knittynoddy
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Posted - 01/28/2007 :  12:43:41 PM  Show Profile  Visit knittynoddy's Homepage Send knittynoddy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by glccafar

Where would one purchase Loganberry vines? Does anyone have a tip?

The only thing I could suggest is to perhaps contact these folks:
Weeks Berry Nursery
They are a wholesale grower, sell many little plants to commercial fruit growers. We have purchased from them in quantity. Their site has a "Retail" link in progress, so it doesn't hurt to try!

Also, since you are in Maryland you could ask the Maryland Cooperative Extension!

Check out this cool Chart of Berry Hybridization. We love Marionberries - makes really good jam!

Evelyn
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gwtreece
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Posted - 01/28/2007 :  2:23:18 PM  Show Profile  Send gwtreece a Yahoo! Message Send gwtreece a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm hungry.

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glccafar
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Posted - 01/28/2007 :  3:22:54 PM  Show Profile  Visit glccafar's Homepage Send glccafar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thank you, Evelyn!
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lucylocket
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Posted - 01/28/2007 :  5:24:00 PM  Show Profile Send lucylocket a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the info Evelyn - wow so many different berry-fruits and yes Wanda - my mouth is watering somewhat!!I'm off to the fruit-markets tomorrow!! Happy Knitting - Lucylocket[meow] Ps Fivefibers - sounds like a great idea - plant away!!

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InMySpareTime
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Posted - 01/29/2007 :  11:16:46 AM  Show Profile Send InMySpareTime a Private Message  Reply with Quote
and I thought this was about pda/phone thingies...

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knittynoddy
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Posted - 01/29/2007 :  11:20:28 AM  Show Profile  Visit knittynoddy's Homepage Send knittynoddy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
...which may jam,
but not make good jam !
[:00]

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Knit kitty
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Posted - 01/29/2007 :  1:20:58 PM  Show Profile Send Knit kitty a Private Message  Reply with Quote
...and out in East Texas, there are Dewberries--another similar berry to the blackberry and black raspberry. My MIL adores them. They grow wild all over the property she grew up on, and they make GREAT jam (and cobblers).

The whole supertaster/nontaster thing was quite a revelation to my DH. He just thought I was picky! DD is an average taster, while DS is a supertaster like me. DD has a very broad palate--her favorite food is sushi, and she will try anything once. DS (like his mom) has to be encouraged to try new stuff, and it takes an effort to stretch the comfort zone. I will give him credit, though--he made a decision last year to try more stuff so that he "wouldn't be so picky", and has developed some new favorites. And count us both as people who have a hard time believing that the artificial sweeteners are supposed to actually taste like sugar. Blech!

~Rebecca

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