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ctbab
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Posted - 03/14/2009 :  8:24:46 PM  Show Profile Send ctbab a Private Message  Reply with Quote
What is the recommended cast on method for top down socks? My first were too tight at the top. How can I loosen it up and have a nice stretchy top?

liblady1820
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156 Posts

Posted - 03/14/2009 :  8:45:42 PM  Show Profile Send liblady1820 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I always do a long tail cast on for socks.
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Jane
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USA
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Posted - 03/15/2009 :  05:03:18 AM  Show Profile  Visit Jane's Homepage Send Jane a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I do a long tail, too, and I make sure the stitches aren't pulled up tight against each other -- a gap about the width of the yarn keeps it nice and stretchy.

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jtamsn
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USA
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Posted - 03/15/2009 :  06:11:49 AM  Show Profile Send jtamsn a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I do a cable cast on for everything (I learned that way and just dont "get" anything else). Usually I cast on with a size larger needle..Works for me.
judy
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kaidyd
Chatty Knitter

USA
196 Posts

Posted - 03/15/2009 :  06:43:58 AM  Show Profile Send kaidyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I use the Twisted German Cast On. I do it over two needles because I tend to cast on too tightly otherwise. It works great and is stretchy. Very similar to the long tail so it is easy to learn. Here is a link to a YouTube video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfFadEumBak
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arlinem
Gabber Extraordinaire

USA
442 Posts

Posted - 03/15/2009 :  08:02:41 AM  Show Profile Send arlinem a Private Message  Reply with Quote
a tubular cast on is very stretchy. it's best done back & forth for 2 rows and that little bit will need to be sewn up. there was a recent discussion thread on it so you might be able to find it doing a search.
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Shalee
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USA
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Posted - 03/15/2009 :  1:09:08 PM  Show Profile  Visit Shalee's Homepage Send Shalee a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I used to do the long tail and then tried the knitted cast on. Wonderful stretch and nice looking edge using the knitted cast on.

Sharon in NW PA
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knittingrunner
Seriously Hooked

USA
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Posted - 03/15/2009 :  2:10:26 PM  Show Profile Send knittingrunner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I too do a knitted cast on, on size 2 needles, then I do my ribbing on size 1 (as a rule).

Best trick I know is: once you've joined the stitches in the round; exchange the first and last stitch to avoid both gap and an 'unbuttoned' looking first row.


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ceecee
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Posted - 03/15/2009 :  3:52:36 PM  Show Profile Send ceecee a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Another vote for the Twisted German. That's a great video posted by kaidyd. I think I learned it from More Sensational Knitted Socks and it took me several re-readings of the instructions to get it right.
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PBELKNAP
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Posted - 03/16/2009 :  06:16:27 AM  Show Profile  Visit PBELKNAP's Homepage Send PBELKNAP a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Best trick I know is: once you've joined the stitches in the round; exchange the first and last stitch to avoid both gap and an 'unbuttoned' looking first row.



Wow! What a great idea! Thanks!



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Sticks and String
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Posted - 03/16/2009 :  07:02:31 AM  Show Profile  Visit Sticks and String's Homepage Send Sticks and String a Private Message  Reply with Quote
When knitting top-down socks with DPNs and using whichever cast on is preferred or called for in the pattern, I usually have my students cast all the stitches onto one needle and then knit them onto the 3 or 4 DPNs to begin the sock. Seems to work better for them than casting onto 3 or 4 DPNs and juggling them to join and begin.


Jo
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Ratbag
Chatty Knitter

United Kingdom
318 Posts

Posted - 03/16/2009 :  11:43:36 AM  Show Profile Send Ratbag a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I had the same problem. So now I cast on using two needles held together and work the first row off these two needles, then split the stitches and work in the round. My cuffs are fantastic now and don't have that tight line you know is going to dig into the leg.

Sandra
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fiddlerbird555
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USA
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Posted - 03/17/2009 :  11:21:28 AM  Show Profile Send fiddlerbird555 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've tried casting on to two needles, long-tail, cable, knit-on, reverse-e. But to me, it seems to make no particular difference. Any one of these, I can do too tight, or consciously make sure to do loose enough.

I rather like doing the first row straight before starting to knit in the round, but I'm not fussy about a little notch in the end, anyway.

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peggity
Chatty Knitter

USA
116 Posts

Posted - 03/18/2009 :  9:10:25 PM  Show Profile Send peggity a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The Old Norwegian cast on method http://www.knittinghelp.com/videos/cast-on is my new favorite cast on for ribbing. I used it on the last pair of socks I made and it is beautiful to behold and the most stretchy top I've ever seen.

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adaknits
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USA
1 Posts

Posted - 03/18/2009 :  9:55:40 PM  Show Profile Send adaknits a Private Message  Reply with Quote
For my own socks, I will use the long-tail cast-on over two needles, then remove one of the needles, join the round, and go from there. For my classes, I am beginning to teach students to cast on (long-tail method) over a needle that is at least 2 sizes bigger than their sock needles, then transfer the cast-on sts to their sock. needles
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Kyrstellaine
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USA
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Posted - 03/18/2009 :  10:38:03 PM  Show Profile Send Kyrstellaine a Private Message  Reply with Quote
My latest favorite cast on for ribbing is the version of tubular cast on shown here: http://ysolda.com/wordpress/pictorial-guides/double-rib-tubular-cast-on/
Contrary to what she says, I've found it quite possible to work this in the round. The first round works half the stitches and slips the other half, and the second slips the half worked the first time and works the half slipped the first time. Before discovering this one, I used the version of the cabled cast on where you alternately purl and knit between the last two stitches on the left hand needle. (If that one has a name, I don't know it).

I've struggled with the "switch the first and last stitch" method of hiding the jog - I prefer to cast on an extra stitch, and knit (or purl, depending on pattern) it together with the first stitch when joining in the round.

If I'm teaching someone, though, I like either the long tail or knitted on cast on.

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KrazyKim
Chatty Knitter

USA
240 Posts

Posted - 03/19/2009 :  01:41:36 AM  Show Profile Send KrazyKim a Private Message  Reply with Quote
ctbab, can you undo your cast on and knit a new cuff, using a stretchy bind off? I use the "Invisible" Bind Off when knitting toe-up socks.

For casting on a cuff down sock, I'm also a huge fan of the Old Norwegian Cast-On that Peggy recommended.

Both of these methods were mentioned in the "Twisted Sisters Sock" book, which is the book I first learned from and go to most often for all around basic sock knitting info. They have a pretty "Tulip" cast-on that I really like. Now, if I could only find something like that for a cast-off..., since I prefer toe-up socks!

Kim, Playa del Rey, CA
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sockjoan
Warming Up

Australia
58 Posts

Posted - 03/19/2009 :  01:50:56 AM  Show Profile Send sockjoan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I use the k1, p1 version of cabled cast-on mentioned by Krystellaine, worked fairly loosely. This looks almost identical to tubular cast-on, but doesn't have the tightening effect of those slipped stitches. I now do my socks two-at-a-time with the Magic Loop method, but find it easier to do the cast-on for each sock on a separate needle and then unite them in the first row. I used to use two-end cast-on, but found it hard to judge just how much tail was needed - and it's horrible to have to start again because you've run out of tail at 58 sts and you were wanting 64! The "tubular look" k1, p1 cast-on looks good on any rib at the top of your sock; I don't like k1, p1 rib much and generally use at least k2, p2; my current pair of socks is on k4, p2. I'm using this rib for the entire leg and also the top of the foot.
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bullwinkle
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31 Posts

Posted - 03/19/2009 :  02:13:53 AM  Show Profile  Visit bullwinkle's Homepage Send bullwinkle a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sundara (of Sundara Stitches) once had a tip to cast on the regular number of stitches with two strands of yarn, then drop down to one. I use a knitted cast on, with both ends of the skein, and then drop a strand.

The first time (o.k. every single time) I do this, I think the sock is going to be way too big. But I have learned to not rip it out and just knit for an inch or so, and it sorts itself out.
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polarsmom2@earthlink.net
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Posted - 03/19/2009 :  07:17:06 AM  Show Profile Send polarsmom2@earthlink.net a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I just started a new pair of socks from the Favorite Socks book by Interweave. One of the patterns by Ann Budd uses a 1x1 Rib Cast-on. Had to play with it for a while, but I like it. The top is comfortably loose. Usually I use a long-tail cast on for top down socks and just make sure it isn't too tight. That has worked well for me.
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pjuska@midmaine.com
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3 Posts

Posted - 03/19/2009 :  09:49:34 AM  Show Profile Send pjuska@midmaine.com a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I use one size larger needles to cast on stitches then I change to the right size needles and knit one round before starting the ribbing. This seems to give a smidge extra width at the top of the sock followed by a slight amount of reinforcement. The knit round all but disappears as the ribbing pattern develops. Happy knitting!
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